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taltos1
Hello,
I am trying to understand the Real-Time shipping in monstersmile.gif. When i put in my zip code (with an item that weights 10 pounds in my cart) what happens? Does the monstersmile.gif software automatically forward the zip codes (shipping from and going to)and the item weight to ups.com, fedex.com etc...

Are the shipping costs guaranteed or only an estimate? And what happens if it actually costs like $10.00 more to ship it then is estmated? Do you folks just take a loss or do you charge the customer $10.00 more?

Thanks a lot

krazykickz
i believe it is run through an API and like you said the weight and zip is sent to FedEx, UPS, etc and then a rate is sent back.

To solve the problem about not charging enough do two things:

1. Run a few tests and compare them with monstersmile.gif and your carrier.

2. Add a markup just in case. Do you know how to do this?
ColoradoMiniatures
QUOTE (krazykickz @ Jan 5 2004, 04:12 PM)
i believe it is run through an API and like you said the weight and zip is sent to FedEx, UPS, etc and then a rate is sent back.

To solve the problem about not charging enough do two things:

1. Run a few tests and compare them with monstersmile.gif and your carrier.

2. Add a markup just in case.  Do you know how to do this?

i think that both real-time and custom shipping within Monstercommerce are flawed in implementation. this is the first real thing that i have found to be wrong with the Monstercommerce solution, but it's a major one and has cost me between $2 and $4 out of my own pocket on every order of thus far shipped. i'm planning on writing a detailed complaint to the CEO of MC explaining in more detail , but here's the quick summary of what's causing me so much concern/grief:

- the real-time shipping plugin does not show all legal options. it's unreliable.

- the S/H fudge factor doesn't work fairly. i don't want to charge handling costs. i want to charge my customers at actual postage cost. however, the S/H fee is applied to all orders regardless of the shipping vendor. if you only want to charge for shipping materials, there is no way to segregate this charge to be applied to only those methods for which i have to purchase boxes. USPS Priority Mail supplies are free, whereas boxes for UPS shipments have to be purchased.

here's how they should have implemented it.

1) a global handling charge that is applied to all orders, regardless of weight, price, or shipping vendor
2) a global weight markup to adjust the shopping cart weights to account for additional packaging weight. this is imperative to get proper real-time shipping calculations. note that this not possible to do with any accuracy simply using a S/H fudge factor.
3) each shipping option should have an additional fudge factor as currently implemented, to account for variations in price between what the real-time plugin reports and what is actually charged when dropping off the packages (e.g., at the UPS Store). this can be a flat rate or % just as currently implemented.
4) each shipping option that is hooked into the real-time plugin should have a radio button (that can be over-ridden as required by the merchant if so desired), that prompts the customer whether or not insurance is wanted. insurance is a function of price, and this info is well known, so the cart should adjust the total accordingly.

- the merchant should have the ability to add text somewhere on the shipping options page. or better yet, customize the text description of each shipping option

- custom shipping options should allow for formulas with the variables that i've mentioned above, and should be configurable by country. right now, they appear to be global only, so even if i wanted to fix the problem that i'm currently seeing (where Canadian addresses are not being recognized as legal for USPS Airmail Parcel Post), i can't restrict my custom shipping option to show up only for Canadian addresses.

my goal is to charge my customers only for actual postage charges. because i can't get Monstercommerce to calculate these properly, i am having to follow-up each order with an e-mail explaining to the customer that my shipping calculations are not accurate (which destroys customer confidence) or just pay the extra postage out of my pocket. this is not sustainable for me.

i'd hate to be forced to go to a flat rate postage system because i don't personally like them as a customer, but at this point i don't know what else i can do because the Monstercommerce shipping manager is forcing my hand. it's a shame... the shipping manager is so close to being an excellent feature, but it's just off in implementation enough to become a disadvantage (for me at least) of the overall Monstercommerce solution.
Neil82591
I know we used UPS and now currently use Fed Ex and the real time shipping function seems right on for us....... I know that we already have the weights for each product put in as packed wieghts so it comes right in correctly and for the cost of boxes we just added globally $1.50 handling charge that we have hidden in the shipping costs but explained on our shipping page.

Just my 2 cents
krazykickz
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- the real-time shipping plugin does not show all legal options. it's unreliable.


Which options are not showing up, so that we can try to get this resolved for anyone having the same problem, because I am sure there is more out there.


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- the S/H fudge factor doesn't work fairly. i don't want to charge handling costs. i want to charge my customers at actual postage cost. however, the S/H fee is applied to all orders regardless of the shipping vendor. if you only want to charge for shipping materials, there is no way to segregate this charge to be applied to only those methods for which i have to purchase boxes. USPS Priority Mail supplies are free, whereas boxes for UPS shipments have to be purchased.


I do not understand what you mean by the first part here, but in regards to changing charges for supplies, I do not think this is heard of. I do not know anyone that charges or does not charge because they did or did not pay for the shipping supplies. It is great to be honest about shipping, but you can only go as to far as being as accurate as you can. I do not think anyone hits their charges right on, and thus either use flat rate shipping or issue a markup so no losses or out of pocket money occurs.

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1) a global handling charge that is applied to all orders, regardless of weight, price, or shipping vendor


Isn't this currently possible in the shipping manager in one of the first steps or are you refering to something else?

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2) a global weight markup to adjust the shopping cart weights to account for additional packaging weight. this is imperative to get proper real-time shipping calculations. note that this not possible to do with any accuracy simply using a S/H fudge factor.


For the time being why not just markup the products weight for yourself by your specified "global amount"

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4) each shipping option that is hooked into the real-time plugin should have a radio button (that can be over-ridden as required by the merchant if so desired), that prompts the customer whether or not insurance is wanted. insurance is a function of price, and this info is well known, so the cart should adjust the total accordingly


Totally agree on this one and it is suppose to be added as an upsell feature in the next version.

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- the merchant should have the ability to add text somewhere on the shipping options page. or better yet, customize the text description of each shipping option


Undejj created a script that allows you to add text in the checkout pages:
View:http://forums.monstersmallbusiness.com/ind...t=0&#entry17603

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my goal is to charge my customers only for actual postage charges. because i can't get Monstercommerce to calculate these properly, i am having to follow-up each order with an e-mail explaining to the customer that my shipping calculations are not accurate (which destroys customer confidence) or just pay the extra postage out of my pocket. this is not sustainable for me.


As a lot of people have this goal, I think it is very hard to accomplish considering all the charges and changes with shipping these days. I understand were you are coming from, but to hit it right on the nail I would think is somewhat immposible. I think you can come close but not exact. I think after a few times of studying shipping patterns and cost you should be able to do this. I think if you keep trying to fiiddle with hitting it right on, you are going to keep eating that money.


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i'd hate to be forced to go to a flat rate postage system because i don't personally like them as a customer, but at this point i don't know what else i can do because the Monstercommerce shipping manager is forcing my hand. it's a shame... the shipping manager is so close to being an excellent feature, but it's just off in implementation enough to become a disadvantage (for me at least) of the overall Monstercommerce solution.


I have complained about the rates not being right but they are pulled directly from this shipping carriers servers. I think the problem is that when calculating these costs there is not way to calculate other costs such as residential fees, fuel, signature, surcharges , etc. Therefore , I do not think it is a problem with monstersmile.gif's integration.


In typing all of this, I too hope monstersmile.gif will allow for shipping profiles in which it would illiminate a lot of these problems, but for right now you just have to use what is there and improvise.






Captain
ColoradoMiniatures,

I have forwarded your posts to the Stephanie... our CEO as well as our lead programmers to review your posts. I trust they will respond to your issues and make acoomodations in version 4.1 where neccessary. I appreciate the feedback. smile.gif

They will respond shortly. stuart.gif

MonsterCEO
Hey Colorado-
I have read your post and will be speaking with Megan about this. You do have some good ideas and I can see many of those ideas being added in a new release.
Thanks
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Sunshine
Hi ColoradoMiniatures,
Your points are well taken and some have been echoed by your fellow MC store owners. As we review the requested feature list for version 4.1, Shipping Manager enhancements are a definite area of focus.

If you are having issues with specific real-time shipping options in general or specifically for Canada, please let Tech Support know through a ticket or phone call to 800.353.6582 and they can help you resolve or escalate the issue.

I am aware of some real-time shipping options that are not currently included within the Shipping Manager, some of which have been requested as new features and are under review for the next release.

The variety of suggestions submitted by owners such as yourself provides us with a great pool of ideas on how to enhance the flexibility and functionality of the Shipping Manager. We will be discussing the options internally as well as with our customers in order to find the best solutions to apply within our next release and continue to build upon in future releases.

Thank you for taking the time to be so detailed, in your postings and in your tickets! smile.gif
ColoradoMiniatures
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Which options are not showing up, so that we can try to get this resolved for anyone having the same problem, because I am sure there is more out there.


i mentioned this in a previous post, but i cannot get USPS Airmail Parcel Post to show up as a valid option for Canadian customers.

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I do not understand what you mean by the first part here, but in regards to changing charges for supplies, I do not think this is heard of.  I do not know anyone that charges or does not charge because they did or did not pay for the shipping supplies.  It is great to be honest about shipping, but you can only go as to far as being as accurate as you can.  I do not think anyone hits their charges right on, and thus either use flat rate shipping or issue a markup so no losses or out of pocket money occurs.


my domestic customers are smart enough to know that USPS Priority Mail supplies are free from the post office. if i try to charge them a "shipping materials" fee for that method of delivery, they'll see it as a transparent attempt to pass along a fee that i didn't have to pay on their behalf. however, if i ship via UPS or USPS Airmail Parcel Post overseas, I have to charge $0.50 or whatever it is for the cost of the boxes and packing materials. the global S/H charge feature as implemented by MC does not allow for this distinction. for people who want to pass along overhead charges and enforce a handling fee for all shipments no matter where they go or how they go, then the MC S/H charge is a perfect place for it. however, i don't charge handling fees, and as long as the S/H line item stays implemented as it is, i have to put a $0.00 entry in there.

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Isn't this currently possible in the shipping manager in one of the first steps or are you refering to something else?


well, yes. but at this point i'm explaining how i think the system should be configured. all i'm really saying is that MC can keep the global S/H line item for customers who want to charge handling fees. for me, even if MC changed the implementation to the one i recommend, i'd still enter $0.00 for a global S/H charge line item.

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For the time being why not just markup the products weight for yourself by your specified "global amount"


i simply can't do this. i have approx. 1300 products, varying in weight from 0.1 lbs to 1lb. i have no way of knowing for a given shipment weight of 1lb whether i have ten 0.1lb items or one 1lb item. to build in a fudge factor for each product weight would be next to useless. for example. my packaging averages 0.5lb in weight. if a customer orders a 1lb product, then i want the shipping calculator to have 1.5lb as the working weight for use in determining the rates. by your suggestion, i should enter this 1lb product weight as 1.5lb. however, let's say somebody orders 3 of those 1lb products... the shipping calculator would use the offset amount of 1.5lb and calculate a working weight of the package as 4.5lb when it is really 3.5lb. now, working in the other direction... what if a customer orders one 0.1lb item? should that also get a 0.5lb offset? what about the customer who orders ten 0.1lb items... if my system used an offset amount of 0.6lb for each item, the shipping calculator would see 6lbs instead of the accurate 1.5lb amount it should see.

as implemented, the MC solution just doesn't allow for proper shipping calculations for my merchandise, and even if i were to pull numbers out of thin air to try and adjust my weights, the results would be equally as bad.

MC needs to have a weight offset per shipping option. this would allow some weight fudge factor to account for boxes and packing materials and allow the real-time weight calculators to work on REAL weights.

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Undejj created a script that allows you to add text in the checkout pages:


although clever, that's not really the correct solution. i haven't looked at the script, but it uses javascript to bring up a pop-up window, right?

what i'm asking for is a store owner textbox just like what's made available in the HTML options elsewhere in the admin manager. i'd also like to customize the verbage presented to the customer for the real-time shipping options. right now, you can only select from a list already prepared by Monstercommerce.

for example, for USPS Airmail Parcel Post, i'd like the option presented as "USPS Airmail Parcel Post (insurance required)". if i could edit the text description of that real-time shipping option, i would. right now, i cannot.

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As a lot of people have this goal, I think it is very hard to accomplish considering all the charges and changes with shipping these days.  I understand were you are coming from, but to hit it right on the nail I would think is somewhat immposible.  I think you can come close but not exact.  I think after a few times of studying shipping patterns and cost you should be able to do this.  I think if you keep trying to fiiddle with hitting it right on, you are going to keep eating that money.


but it shouldn't be hard! all of the pieces are in place to do this, it's just that MC HASN'T PUT THEM ALL TOGETHER!!! shipping is simple algebra...

(A + B) * R + C + D = E

A = product weight
B = shipping materials weight
R = rate by weight for a given shipping method
C = global charge (handling, etc.)
D = insurance as a function of product cost
E = total shipping costs

all of this can be specified and looked up in real time.

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I have complained about the rates not being right but they are pulled directly from this shipping carriers servers.  I think the problem is that when calculating these costs there is not way to calculate other costs such as residential fees, fuel, signature, surcharges , etc.  Therefore , I do not think it is a problem with monstersmile.gif's integration.


i haven't yet reached the point where i can complain about the rate lookups being wrong... i still can't get a reasonable estimate on shipping from the MC formulas or even get all of the valid shipping options to show up properly.

my customers are repeat customers, and i have lots of international sales. the typical order is $40 - $80 worth of merchandise, and typically comes in at between 0.75lb and 1.5lb. for international Airmail Parcel Post rates, we are talking $14 - $16 in proper postage, plus $1 or $2 for insurance. these are steep rates and i am as unhappy about the USPS price gouging as anyone else, but the last thing i need to do is compound this problem by overestimating my shipping charges by $3 or $4 because of the generous use of fudge factors (shipping mark-ups and S/H charges in the current MC implementation). once the postage rates start looking ridiculous, the customer will just abort the checkout process and i'll lose the sale - THIS IS WHAT MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS! i simply must have a way of conveying accurate postage/insurance costs to the customer during the checkout process because i'm not involved at that point and cannot clarify what the actual rates would be. once the order goes through, i can follow up with an e-mail and let them know what the actual weight/rate for their package would be. but how many sales will i lose because i can't get the MC implementation to work properly during the checkout process (sure, the MC implementation "works" right now, it's just not implemented in the way that i think it should be).

so i am at a loss. i can't get USPS Airmail Parcel Post to show up for Canadian customers (for example), i cannot get accurate cart weights to use with the real-time shipping calculators, i cannot get insurance costs generated as a function of price/shipping method, and i'm losing a couple of bucks out of pocket on every order i ship. i'm frustrated, annoyed, and concerned about this issue all at once, and i would like to see MC address it in the very near term. this is not the sort of thing that can wait for v4.1. it needs to be fixed now, or i'll have to switch over to flat rate custom shipping methods (which i personally hate as a customer).

does anyone know how to get a custom shipping method to either show up or not show up depending upon destination country?
krazykickz
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my domestic customers are smart enough to know that USPS Priority Mail supplies are free from the post office. if i try to charge them a "shipping materials" fee for that method of delivery, they'll see it as a transparent attempt to pass along a fee that i didn't have to pay on their behalf. however, if i ship via UPS or USPS Airmail Parcel Post overseas, I have to charge $0.50 or whatever it is for the cost of the boxes and packing materials. the global S/H charge feature as implemented by MC does not allow for this distinction. for people who want to pass along overhead charges and enforce a handling fee for all shipments no matter where they go or how they go, then the MC S/H charge is a perfect place for it. however, i don't charge handling fees, and as long as the S/H line item stays implemented as it is, i have to put a $0.00 entry in there.


Yes the know the supplies is free, but how would they or not know you were passing the charge onto them? Not saying you should pass the charge to them, but I do not think anyone is going to break down shipping charges. I think close shipping charges are good enought. Within $1.00. It can be accomplished.
I cannot comment about why that shipping option is not showing up but hopefully they will fix it soon. Also do you know you can add handling fee without it showing on that line in checkout?

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well, yes. but at this point i'm explaining how i think the system should be configured. all i'm really saying is that MC can keep the global S/H line item for customers who want to charge handling fees. for me, even if MC changed the implementation to the one i recommend, i'd still enter $0.00 for a global S/H charge line item.


So you are saying here, that you want to charge a handling fee but you do not want it to show up on the handling line at checkout? If so, this is possible.


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i simply can't do this. i have approx. 1300 products, varying in weight from 0.1 lbs to 1lb. i have no way of knowing for a given shipment weight of 1lb whether i have ten 0.1lb items or one 1lb item. to build in a fudge factor for each product weight would be next to useless. for example. my packaging averages 0.5lb in weight. if a customer orders a 1lb product, then i want the shipping calculator to have 1.5lb as the working weight for use in determining the rates. by your suggestion, i should enter this 1lb product weight as 1.5lb. however, let's say somebody orders 3 of those 1lb products... the shipping calculator would use the offset amount of 1.5lb and calculate a working weight of the package as 4.5lb when it is really 3.5lb. now, working in the other direction... what if a customer orders one 0.1lb item? should that also get a 0.5lb offset? what about the customer who orders ten 0.1lb items... if my system used an offset amount of 0.6lb for each item, the shipping calculator would see 6lbs instead of the accurate 1.5lb amount it should see.

as implemented, the MC solution just doesn't allow for proper shipping calculations for my merchandise, and even if i were to pull numbers out of thin air to try and adjust my weights, the results would be equally as bad.

MC needs to have a weight offset per shipping option. this would allow some weight fudge factor to account for boxes and packing materials and allow the real-time weight calculators to work on REAL weights.


Ok gotcha on this one.

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although clever, that's not really the correct solution. i haven't looked at the script, but it uses javascript to bring up a pop-up window, right?

what i'm asking for is a store owner textbox just like what's made available in the HTML options elsewhere in the admin manager. i'd also like to customize the verbage presented to the customer for the real-time shipping options. right now, you can only select from a list already prepared by Monstercommerce.

for example, for USPS Airmail Parcel Post, i'd like the option presented as "USPS Airmail Parcel Post (insurance required)". if i could edit the text description of that real-time shipping option, i would. right now, i cannot


No this is not a pop up and I think this is what you are looking for. As far as the real time shipping and editing the wording, I wish we could do this also like with custom shipping.

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does anyone know how to get a custom shipping method to either show up or not show up depending upon destination country?


It is not currently possible to exclude like in real time shipping like you can in real time shipping. Although you can use rules so that certain shipping options only show up for certain products.

Don't take me responding to your shipping as picking on you. It is just I am very interested in how they handle shipping, and is thus why I suggested monstersmile.gif to implement shipping profiles to handle some of these things. Another reason is because I do not think these fixes are going to be fixed now. Like everything in development , there is a cycle, testing, blah , blah. So, I was not giving some alternatives to get the options you want.



cbhale
These are all good suggestions and suggestions is all they are, we are all trying to help one another here!

Although monstersmile.gif wants to make us all Happy tongue.gif In reality they are not going to be able to do that! They may come close, but it will take some time.

Some of the shipping calculations that you need seem more complex than anything that I would every need. So I definatley can see were you are coming from, and how you could using something like this.

There is always the custom programing solution. I have a need to do the same at one time. But they already had something that would work for me planned in the new release.

I would say if you are losing money on this, than looking into the custom part might be a more immediate answer to your needs.

I am sure with time each feature/section will be re-worked to what the customers are looking for.

Good Luck to you!! biggrin.gif



lingz
I have a new store about to open. Now I have to hold it. The biggest and only problem is the shipping cost.

Example, an item 1.06 lbs

For UPS ground from destination A to B:

Monsoter Shipping cost calculator indicates: $4.85

Then I go to UPS.com to create a shipment, then it is $6.35.

My profit from this sale is about $1.5, then it would be wiped out completely by this error.

I have to hold up my store till I can find a solution.

How can I solve this? Does anyone else has the same problem? I thought MC system shipping calculator sholud be reliable.

HELP!! HELP!!
ArcoJedi
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Although monstersmile.gif wants to make us all Happy  :P  In reality they are not going to be able to do that!


My hope is that we have done our best and made a large portion of our clients happy. happy.gif In any service related industry, you can make and sell a product and the best you can hope for is to make it the best possible solution for as many of your clients as possible.

"You can please some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time, but you cannot please ALL of the people, ALL of the time." --NOT Abraham Lincoln

Not that I like to brag, but I'd like to think we come close. bigsmile.gif Our best feature is really our service and support.

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I have a new store about to open. Now I have to hold it.
Monsoter Shipping cost calculator indicates: $4.85
Then I go to UPS.com to create a shipment, then it is $6.35.
My profit from this sale is about $1.5, then it would be wiped out completely by this error.
I have to hold up my store till I can find a solution.


This is a common question and is not a bug. Since the difference is EXACTLY $1.50, there is only one answer. If you go to Site Information > Site Wide Settings > Site Rules, you will see a setting towards the bottom of that page called UPS Residential Rates. There is a $1.50 difference between prices based on if you are shipping to a residential address or a business address. Based off of who will most likely be the larger portion of your customer base, set this for either YES or NO. Once set you can release the hold on your store, if you haven't already.

And most importantly for ColoradoMiniatures, these are some very good ideas on how the MonsterCommerce shipping calculators should work. I have seen a matching ticket for this issue (which I will handle) but I just wanted to also say here that we will definitely want to take all of your suggestions into consideration as quickly and carefully as possible. I can see only one ~potential~ problem logistically with what you are suggesting and that is SPEED. Not being a programmer, I don't know what kind of considerable difference this could cause, but you should know that one of the biggest complaints about most shipping calculators is how SLOW they are, especially if you are querying multiple options.

To be sure, our software takes three numbers; your Origin ZIP, the total cart weight and the Destination ZIP; and plugs them into the carrier service's database and brings back a dollar amount. You can't get much quicker than this, and yet... on certain days when the carrier servers get busy (holidays?) or other internet traffic is slowing bandwidth down (internet worms?), it can seem to take forever.

At any rate, we want to do the best possible job that we can. Any improvements and or changes that we make, especially one on as large a scale as this would have to be created, tested thoroughly, QA'ed diligently and then finally released to our clients. I want to be optimistic, but I wouldn't look for this any sooner than version 4.1

I'm sure that in the meantime that we can find some sort of balance point that will work for you.
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