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rubberstampingfun
Hello monstersmile.gif merchants,
I noticed tonight when I logged onto Urchin On Demand that a small note said that this service would be changing next week and we would receive notice.

Unbelievably, Google is going to GIVE AWAY URCHIN ON DEMAND!

My first thought was "Poor monstersmile.gif losing all those $29.99 customers"

But my next thought was, "Why would google give away something they have been able to charge $199 a month for?"

Sounds like Google is the one doing "conversion analytics"

Any input?
rubberstampingfun
Just a question...

Since Urchin on Demand, relabeled "Google Analytics" is now FREE, how much $$$ does monstersmile.gif lose or will they switch to "another" analytics provider that will set up a "bulk" account with them?
rubberstampingfun
Google Just Announced That Urchin Is Free!

Long speculated by bloggers and analytics junkies, Google just announced that it will be offering "Urchin On Demand" for free. (renamed to Google Analytics)

I logged onto my monstersmile.gif Urchin On Demand site and noted that the stats seemed wrong.

When I logged on tonight, I was forwarded to a newly designed "Google Analytics" page and no numbers were present.

I received a small note that said, "Urchin On Demand is no longer available and will not collect stats but can be used for "archive" purposes...

What!

I think Google totally screwed this up! Of all people to make mad are the "analytics junkies" who record every time their hovers over a picture for 10 sec. or more... This affectively means that as of Nov. 14 you can kiss long term analytics good bye! It's like starting over...

OR

Does anyone know a way to get the "archived" stats moved over to the NEW and Improved (sic) Google Analytics site?

You've got to wonder how this Google Christmas present will affect monstersmile.gif revenue. (-$29.99, -$29.99, -$29.99, -$29.99...I'll get the tissues)

MartiniGuy
QUOTE(rubberstampingfun @ Nov 14 2005, 12:00 AM)
Hello monstersmile.gif merchants,
I noticed tonight when I logged onto Urchin On Demand that a small note said that this service would be changing next week and we would receive notice.

Unbelievably, Google is going to GIVE AWAY URCHIN ON DEMAND!

My first thought was "Poor monstersmile.gif losing all those $29.99 customers"

But my next thought was, "Why would google give away something they have been able to charge $199 a month for?"

Sounds like Google is the one doing "conversion analytics"

Any input?
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Hey rubberstampingfun.
Just checked my account and noticed the same thing?
If my account was "upgraded" from Urchin 6 to a "free" Google Analytics account...Im not sure what Im paying for?
Perhaps I missed something?
Would someone from monstersmile.gif please chime in...
basketsforher
Ok I am confused - This is free from Google now? I just logged into my google account - I see reports! 8)

I never added the code to my site that google says to add - how is this info getting to them?

This is great and wow out of the clear blue - something free! Is A Google Shopping Cart for ecommerce far behind? They definitly are putting their ducks in a row to do something big! clap.gif
rubberstampingfun
If you already had the __utm.js file on your site they have converted you over already.

This did pose some initial concern because I noticed that you can "add" a profile without any form of verification.

I am wondering if this will be an issue since you could essentially "spy" on another website's analytics...not that you would get that much "secret" data but it could make for some interesting commentary.

I also had another thought...when I submit my ticket to monstersmile.gif to have "urchin removed" I am hoping they will be kind enough to simply stop charging me instead of actually removing the __utm.js file and messing up the statistics??

There are a lot of CEO's swearing this morning, outside of peer analytics companies, think how much money is lost with this new offer for companies like monstersmile.gif.

There is a really awesome new feature that allows you to see in visual fashion where people are clicking on your website...
autostradastores
Why do so many people misspell "lose" as "loose"? Drives me crazy!

QUOTE(rubberstampingfun @ Nov 14 2005, 12:03 AM)
Just a question...

Since Urchin on Demand, relabeled "Google Analytics" is now FREE, how much $$$ does monstersmile.gif loose or will they switch to "another" analytics provider that will set up a "bulk" account with them?
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rubberstampingfun
If monstersmile.gif removes the __utm.js reference from the <HEAD> section when I submit my ticket today to have the stats "removed" will I lose the archive data?


Ptch3456
Okay.... I'm horribly confused too! blinking.gif

For starters... BOOOOOO to Google! The site is horribly slow. I CAN'T STAND being part of an experiment. The switch was obviously ill prepared.... and EXTREMELY POORLY timed!!!

Why can't software companies get it through their THICK skulls NOT to do things during or right before the busiest time of the year??? blinking.gif cry.gif bash.gif
DUMB, DUMB, DUMB.

Secondly, since monstersmile.gif is now charging the $29 per month again for this on Advanced Hosting accounts.... are they now getting this for free on their end? So... what is the $29 for???

I'm confused.

I hope monstersmile.gif clarifies this.
rubberstampingfun
Ptch3456,

Early this morning when they rolled this out it was working fine...

It appears the site is down now. Talk about making people mad! I think Google had better get its act together since Urchin On Demand customers have always been required to get help from their provider (i.e. monstersmile.gif tech...)

I don't think monstersmile.gif was aware of the free rollout today...

For that matter, I don't think anyone was aware of it until they notified people with the new sign in message.
fmontezuma31
Google says they are on maintenance now.
And also I got an email saying that I won't be charged anymore since it's free.

Any words on this monstersmile.gif?

Tks
rubberstampingfun
monstersmile.gif, can you comment on what happens when I submit my ticket to "remove" Urchin On Demand so as not to be charged...will you also automatically remove the reference to the __utm.js script from all of the pages and therefore remove all of my archived data?
Ptch3456
QUOTE(rubberstampingfun @ Nov 14 2005, 08:25 AM)
I don't think monstersmile.gif was aware of the free rollout today...

For that matter, I don't think anyone was aware of it until they notified people with the new sign in message.
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I have been aware of it for a couple of weeks now.... not about the "free" issue, but about the new login procedures. They have sent more than one email regarding the changes.

If they didn't pass this along to monstersmile.gif (or similar companies) it isn't of any surprise. Obviously, they treat their "partners" similarly to the end user.

Again... DUMB, DUMB, DUMB!

Software programers and companies need to listen to the end user! Obviously, they have a lot to learn from us. whip.gif

Why don't they try this crap in February..... NOT a week before the busiest online shopping period in history?!? bash.gif
Javahead
It would be nice if every other page that you go to would not return a "Undergoing Maintenance" page.
MCToni
Hello Everyone,

I just wanted to let you know that we are currently in discussions with Urchin, Google. We should have more information for you within the next week.

As always, we will do our best to to ensure that our clients receive the best possible services, and regard.

As soon as monstercommerce.gif has more information for you we will let you know immediately.

Thank You,

Toni Phillips
Enterprise Sales Manager
ArcoJedi
We are still waiting on information on what the status of your Urchin/Google Analytics situation is at this time. When we know something accurately I will get it posted here. In the meantime, I hope to answer a few side questions in this thread.
QUOTE(basketsforher @ Nov 14 2005, 06:27 AM)
I never added the code to my site that google says to add - how is this info getting to them? [right] [snapback]96444[/snapback] [/right]

If you have had Urchin On Demand and MC set it up for you, you should note that there is a string of code in the <head /> section referenced on every page of your site with MC -
CODE
<script src="__utm.js" type="text/javascript"></script>
- and it is this file that logs all information and collects it for the Urchin system. The new Google Analytics appears to me to use a slightly different code string that will need to be added PER client, but will work the same way.
QUOTE(rubberstampingfun @ Nov 14 2005, 07:45 AM)
When I submit my ticket to monstercommerce to have "urchin removed" I am hoping they will be kind enough to simply stop charging me instead of actually removing the __utm.js file and messing up the statistics??[right] [snapback]96447[/snapback] [/right]
QUOTE(rubberstampingfun @ Nov 14 2005, 07:47 AM)
If monstersmile.gif removes the __utm.js reference from the <HEAD> section when I submit my ticket today to have the stats "removed" will I lose the archive data?[right] [snapback]96449[/snapback] [/right]
QUOTE(rubberstampingfun @ Nov 14 2005, 08:27 AM)
MC, can you comment on what happens when I submit my ticket to "remove" Urchin On Demand so as not to be charged...will you also automatically remove the reference to the __utm.js script from all of the pages and therefore remove all of my archived data? [right] [snapback]96453[/snapback] [/right]

If you request that your Urchin On Demand account be removed, there are a couple steps that we take. The first is to send the ticket to billing to have that addressed first. From there, the ticket will be worked on by tech reps who will remove the setting that references the "__utm.js" file. This alone will simply stop new statistics from being collected, but will not delete old information. However, the other (and final) step to this is to turn off access to the Urchin reports page where this information is collected and disable your username. Any statistics in the 'archive' will be unavailable at that time.

You should be able to access standard Urchin 5 and the data available to Urchin 5 can be backdated if it is not currently being logged.

My advice is to hold off for at least the next few days as we get things straightened out for this new service. It may be (I hope) that we can smoothly transition from Urchin On Demand to Google Analytics with out any work on anyone's part. Optimally, there may be a small amount of changes that need to be done per site or per account and we may be able to script this out to get it done very quickly. Of course, this is being optimistic, but I don't want anyone to cancel their Urchin On Demand account and lose that data and then realize that they could have had it connected with their original account... Anyhow, thanks for your patience.
rubberstampingfun
Thanks for the info...
monsterhair
I was able to log in to new new stats with out any new code or so I belive.The stats we diffrent?


Alex
My Webpage
monsterhair
I belive the new service is free. We recived an email from Goolge asking us to use the new service for free.

I did not read it my self but had something to do with our add bugget?

I would hope after looking at the service which look to be the same.

Not be charged by MC for a free service.

I think MC knows that chargeing for this kind of service is fast becomeing a thing of the past.

With the new PPC tracking software which is becomeing avalible and MSN,Yahoo going head to head with Goolge for PPC.

All the best.

Alex



[B][/B]My Webpage
Gary Carlton
How do you differentiate between what google classifies as "organic" (which I assume to mean a term that someone searched on) vs. adword? My stats say that all my google traffic is organic, and I know that there is substantial traffic coming from adwords.
Jared
I don't think we're going to be able to successfully use Google Analytics yet (unless you already have the old Urchin 6 code on your site.) The new code to paste has an http:// in it (which would make a security warning when you checkout), and the https:// link causes a security warning... so for now, clients will have a problem with it.

Jared
basketsforher
Ok - I am really confused - I am able to login to analytics but all my information goes flat line - so do we have this or do we not?

Do we need to add a code or not?

All our stats are there up till this past Sunday - Then yesterday and today - we show 0's across the board!

Whats going on???? huh.gif
ArcoJedi
We are currently discussing this matter with Urchin (powered by Google). This new feature was just released and we are working on the integration between MC and Urchin. We hope to have more details about this exciting program in the near future.

Have patience gang, all these questions will be answered. Thanks!
Ptch3456
I personally cannot believe that this has happened. How could Google do something so irresponsible?

The statistics during the holiday season are VERY important and quite invaluable - paricularly on a going forward basis. As of now, I have serious concerns about the integrity of the data. Has it just dissapeared?

I sure as hell hope Google is listening.... because they obviously haven't in the past. This is innexcusable! (Not to mention, just plain stupid! bash.gif )

It is apparent why they have made it FREE! I'd rather than charge for it, if it means that this is the type of service we can expect.

FREE is NOT usually a good thing.

ArcoJedi
Ptch3456, I definitely agree with you that the timing is not great and there could have been a slower, smoother transition on this.

So far, from my understanding, the only data missing for an MC client is part of Sunday, all of Monday and today. All of the OLD data prior to Sunday for any client using Urchin On Demand should still be available right now. If you are concerned about this data, you should note that it is also available if you log into the Analytics site too. And if you are still concerned, you can export the data in different formats (txt, csv, xml).

I'm not trying to minimize the issue, but I'm looking forward to good news on this. Stay tuned for more information.
Wordman
This morning I see stats for Sun, Mon and Tues. Thats good.
I wonder what my web world will be when I wake up in the morning tomorrow. I am so glad I can run a business with no issues just because important information dances in and out the door as it pleases. It makes it hard to trust what you see when it is now you see it now you don't.

I really don't need fun like this to keep life interesting, I have six kids who do that.

I am hopeful that seing stats this morning mean the issue is resolved.
danilyn22
So I am still confused. I am still flat lined. I was not going to pay to keep Urchin 6. (I think that still should be a perk for being on a tri-dedicated server.)

But if it is free from Google...
1. Will we still have it
2. Will I have to pay for the free service.

I have not submitted anything to tell monstersmile.gif to take it off. I thought the email said to submit a ticket if I want to keep it.

Has anyone figured this out yet?
ArcoJedi
The email we sent out that you are referring to was concerning the fact that it was no longer going to be free for clients on certain plan levels.

AFTER THIS, Google/Urchin sprang a semi-surprise on us when they made the program free. The first email didn't have anything to do with this.

Now we just have to figure out how everyone is going to set it up on their site and manage it and what MonsterCommerce's role/administration of it needs to be.

There are a lot of questions and guesses about what is going to happen flying around. We are focusing on getting you some information about this as soon as possible. Thank you for your patience.
Ptch3456
QUOTE(MonsterMod @ Nov 16 2005, 05:45 PM)
The email we sent out that you are referring to was concerning the fact that it was no longer going to be free for clients on certain plan levels. 

AFTER THIS, Google/Urchin sprang a semi-surprise on us when they made the program free.  The first email didn't have anything to do with this. 

Now we just have to figure out how everyone is going to set it up on their site and manage it and what MonsterCommerce's role/administration of it needs to be. 

There are a lot of questions and guesses about what is going to happen flying around.  We are focusing on getting you some information about this as soon as possible.  Thank you for your patience.
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I have to ask.... do those at monstersmile.gif (and similar companies) tell Google exactly what they think of this? Does Google have to answer to anyone? Do they think this went well? Do they think it is a good think to operate by keeping people in the dark, and then suddenly springing things on them?

Yes.... I have data coming in now - but it is SLOW to show up - but, at least it is there.

My point, is that it seems to me that Google is getting a little big for their britches! When companies just start doing as they please, and ignoring those who feed them - it is time to start asking questions - and demanding change. I sure hope companies such as monstersmile.gif are giving them a piece of their minds. It sounds like they could use a dose of reality - and common sense.

On a related note.... I think the color scheme of the new Google admin panel is terrible - it literally hurts my eyes. Also, the navigation is not easy. It is organized it the same manner - but it just doesn't look right. Why did they have to mess with it? Oh.... I forgot.. because they can.
Ptch3456
Geezzz.... they are REALLY screwing up now! bash.gif

Now.. when you click on the link to take you to your login page - it goes to some strange Google "home page" like Yahoo.... but with not much on it.

What on EARTH are they doing? blinking.gif

Once again, this is utterly ridiculous for a company with such resources. I hope they are thoroughly embarassed.
danilyn22
OK So where are our stats. When I click on Urchin it takes me to the familiar login where there is a message from Google telling me to Clcik here to go to my New Goggle Analytics. When I go I am taking to a practically blank Google screen, where I show to be already logged in with no idea where the analytic tools are.

Any one??
deerefun
I figured out why it is free. It is gone. If you try to login it takes you to the Google home page with no way to find Google Stats. Maybe there is a bigger problem at Google though. I tried to upload to Froogle a little while ago and it keeps dumping me to a page not found page. What a joke!
Kman
well I can log into both urchin and google stats - so whats the deal?

Do I still need to be paying for urchin 6? whats the latest word?
rungreen
I think the conversion rates are messed up too. The last two days, my conversions have shown at .25% for PPC. I kNOW that can't be right!!!

QUOTE(deerefun @ Nov 17 2005, 10:27 AM)
I figured out why it is free. It is gone. If you try to login it takes you to the Google home page with no way to find Google Stats. Maybe there is a bigger problem at Google though. I tried to upload to Froogle a little while ago and it keeps dumping me to a page not found page. What a joke!
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rungreen
QUOTE
Google Analytics :: Branding
and Packaging Results
By Jim Hedger © 2005, StepForth News Editor,
StepForth Placement Inc. 

Google has scored a major coup with the release of Google Analytics. In the spirit of helping webmasters and search marketers move site visitors into converted site users, Google is offering its enormously useful site analytics tool, Urchin, frëe of charge under the re-branded name Google Analytics. The software is designed to help webmasters and marketers understand site visitors and their behaviours. Last year, it cost almost $500/mth to subscribe to.
For Google, search is about business and business is about results. Results are measured in many different ways, depending on the goals of those gauging the yardstick. For Google, the yardstick continues to appear infinite, defying common sense, which logically tells us otherwise. The introduction of Google Analytics solidifies Google's place as the pinnacle of search advertising providers and is likely to convert a lot of webmasters into Google account holders.

 


"Conversions" is a term used by marketers and webmasters as a way to measure results. The word itself is rather ambiguous and can have slightly different meanings for different people but ultimately means the same thing. Conversion means getting site visitors to do an intended task while visiting your site. For an ecommerce site, site-visits that lead to salës are considered conversions. Sites that primarily provide information might see an increase in repeat visitors as an indication of successful conversions. Similarly, sites running ads powered by Google AdWords might consider ad-clicks as successful conversions as Google certainly does.

According to the basic information provided on the features page, Google Analytics can help you, "Learn how visitors interact with your website and identify the navigational bottlenecks that keep them from completing your conversion goals. Find out how profitable your keywords are across search engines and campaigns. Pinpoint where your best customers come from and which markets are most profitable to you. Google Analytics gives you this and more through easy-to-understand visually enhanced reports."

Once a user gets into the system, they are rewarded with access to a remarkable tool. If they are an AdWords advertiser or AdSense partner, a wide array of tools and assistants are provided to help convert visitors into billable (or payable) clicks. Google obviously believes that it can make more monëy by helping AdWords advertisers and the owners of the website that display AdWords. For Google however, the rewards go deeper than a basic bottom line.

 


Yesterday, the system ground to a near halt as millïons of webmasters rushed to sign up. Google will be receiving a wealth of consumer and marketing information from sites using the software, information that will be incorporated into Google's understanding of how users travel through sites found in its index. That kind of information is worth its weïght in Google shares.

Google Analytics is a members-only service. Unless they already have one, webmasters and advertisers will need to establish an account through Gmail or AdWords before being granted frëe access. Once an account is established, the information provided is pretty intense.

Separated into three general user types, Executive, Webmaster, and Marketer, Google Analytics shows up to the minute information on over seventy essential elements, giving decision makers a lot of data to work with. The internal system is set up around a left-hand side dashboard of expanding drop-down menus for each of the general user overlays, each of which displays a series of reports. Users can also select a drop down display that expands to show the full range of elements to analyze.

Having said all that, it isn't really possible to give a full review of the data generated by Google Analytics as we have just inserted the tracking-script into documents on our site this morning. It will take about twelve hours for information to accumulate.

 


On the surface, it appears as if Google has taken some of the best elements of other analytic programs and integrated AdWords/AdSense conversion support features. The layout is easy to use and there is a good mix of information and supporting graphical elements to ease the headaches commonly associated with statistical analysis. The first overlay provides an at-a-glance dashboard with gauges indicating site visitors, unique visitors, top documents, top keywords, and other user-specific information sets.

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Account access can be shared with other Google Account holders, a feature that will allow SEOs and SEMs to share information directly with their clients. While it is a violation of the Terms of Service agreement to charge clients for access to data generated by Google Analytics, a service helping them interpret and understand the stats and information seems a natural evolution for search marketing professionals.

As reported by David Utter in WebProNews, Google Analytics doesn't seem to worry newly minted rivals WebTrends and ClickTracks though its introduction did send shivers down the spines of shareholders in analytics firm Web Side Story.

Michael Stebbins, VP Marketing for analytics firm ClickTracks, said: "Google is the rising tide that raises all the web analytics ships. The announcement to offer frëe analytics is a great validation of our market. We're thrilled they are opening the market's eyes to what web analytics can do today. At the same time, we need to put it in perspective: when Google offered Blogger it did not put other blogger platforms out of business. When the tide levels out, the web analytics tools that provide the most value for marketers will be the ones that thrive." (Source, WebProNews)

Google has made a masterful move in the introduction of Google Analytics. They have produced a superior analytic package, branded it under their name, and tied it into the most popular paid-advertising program on the web. Under other circumstances it wouldn't take long for one of its competitors to catch up with their own analytics package however, Google's purchase of Urchin last year put them far ahead of any rivals.
danilyn22
It seems that some of us can get in and some of us can not find it. So what is the deal. I have had Urchin 6 running in the past and I go to a blank page.
Javahead
Is there any status on when store that were using Urchin5 will be able to use this service from Google?
ArcoJedi
As promised... cool.gif Here is the most up to date information:

Recently Google announced that they will now offer Google Analytics (formerly Urchin 6) for free!

This is great news for everyone, and MonsterCommerce has moved all of our U6 plans to free accounts as well. You will not be charged anything further for your stats through Urchin/Google.

Google has announced that clients running U6 should still be able to access their statistics through the new interface, however, there may be more of a 1 to 3-day lag time. We anticipate more updates from Google Analytics on this matter and will pass all available information to you as soon as possible. However, rest assured that your stats solution will be free of charge.

Support for Google Analytics can be found here:
http://www.google.com/analytics/
ArcoJedi
This news is not to say there aren't still questions to be worked out.
  1. For Google Analytics, why does there seem to be a lag of a day or two at the moment? We are working to get this answered.
  2. For sites that weren't using Urchin on Demand before, can you add this new free service and how? We are going to have more information on this soon.
  3. What about those still using Urchin 5? What are the differences? This too, we will update you on soon.
  4. The Google code appears to be a non-secure URL. What do we do? ... and this too will be answered.

Thank you very very much for everyone's patience on this. For those having login problems for Google Analytics, make sure you are going directly to -
http://www.google.com/analytics/

Thanks!
Ben N
Thanks for the update Jim!
Javahead
I found this on a Google groups feed. If you replace the code that is given to place in the <head></head> area with
CODE
<script src="https://ssl.google-analytics.com/urchin.js"type="text/javascript">
</script>
<script type="text/javascript">
_uacct = "UA-XXXXX-X";
urchinTracker();
</script>
The main change is this 1st line of code
CODE
<script src="https://ssl.google-analytics.com/urchin.js"type="text/javascript">
This adds the ssl portion to the javascript and does not return security errors in the cart.

I have not had this installed long enough to see any real stats from Google, but it is worth a shot.

BTW: Change the "UA-XXXXX-X" in the script to your Google ID that is assigned to you when you sign up for Google Analytics.

Here is a link to the Google Group Posting - http://groups.google.com/group/analytics-h...633d0bbe6fb987f
krazykickz
thanks
krazykickz
Where can we get that UA-XXXXX-X number from?
Javahead
If you were using Urchin 5 you must go through the signup process on the Google Analytics site. You will be given a script to place in your code, that script will have you unique number in it.
krazykickz
The thing is I already have a profile, but cannot see in the admin panel where to obtain the code.
Jared
Actually, when setting up the tracking code at Google Analytics... if you choose (in the dropdown) https://, then you will get the correct tracking code to use on a secure site (which is what we need for our monstersmile.gif sites.) No workarounds necessary - it works perfectly.

Jared
Javahead
In the Google Analytics Admin Panel under "Status" click on the "Check Status" link. Your code will be in there, just change the first line
CODE
<script src="http://www.google-analytics.com/urchin.js" type="text/javascript">
to
CODE
<script src="https://ssl.google-analytics.com/urchin.js"type="text/javascript">
then place in your "Top of Page HTML Editor in the monstersmile.gif Admin Panel.
Javahead
QUOTE
Actually, when setting up the tracking code at Google Analytics... if you choose (in the dropdown) https://, then you will get the correct tracking code to use on a secure site (which is what we need for our  sites.) No workarounds necessary - it works perfectly.

Jared
Yes, you are right, this is for individuls that did not select this surring the registration.
MonsterCEO
Are you putting it in Top of Page HTML rather than the head tag?
If that works, that would be wonderful. Please confirm the exact placement of the code.
Thanks!
Steph
rubberstampingfun
One question,

Since the secure ssl code will not be cached on the users computer, placing this in the top of every http:// page will make the user reload this code...correct?

I took a look at the _utm.js code and it is pretty fat. Wouldn't a better workaround be to place the non-secure _utm.js reference on all non-secure pages and placing this workaround only on checkout pages?

Just a question...
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